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Oz
Aussie Oz
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Questions by JWs in 1976
by Doug Mason inin 1976, my friend bruce price was in contact with jehovahs witnesses who had become disillusioned through the debacle with 1975. bruce was the leading voice among the sda ministry in working for jws.
at the time, i was a member of the sda church.
although i left them about 25 years ago, to this day bruce and i enjoy a strong and genuinely warm friendship.. so, in 1976 bruce invited me to a meeting with one of the jws who was leading the disquiet in his congregation in dandenong (victoria, australia).
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Okay kids!!I need prayers, karma, or good thoughts
by mouthy ini went to shut my door ( it has ice in the ledge) i shoved it with my side ugh!!!.
if i laugh or cough i near die with pain.i went to the hospital for xrays.
it is a torn muscle.
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Oh granny!
Karma will look after you...you log in here, tell us your pain and here we all are! I for one would transmogrify your torn muscle to me if i could.
Alas, my daughter is yet to get a diploma in Physics and invent the needed technology...sigh
take care grace
OZ
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Over 4 months, still no response to this letter to the elders!
by Greybeard inhi everyone, its been over 4 months and i have not heard a response from the elders.
i called one of them a few weeks back.
he said they sent it to bethel and haven't heard back yet.
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Hi Greybeard
thats one hell of a letter and a pity the parties that need to read it probably wont.
It may be a hard thing to swallow, but your soulmate was not your soulmate. It was a relationship based on a lie of togetherness so long as you never deviated from the fairytale. To even question the tiny details of the story is to betray the soulmate-ness.
A true soulmate does not care if you believe different theories, facts, fairytales or stories to get through life.
If you come to terms with that, it WILL make healing so much easier, i can assure you.
My first wife, even though she came to despise me, still wanted another try after our divorce. BUT the condition was that I had to re-adopt the old beliefs and practices. She could only love me if i repaired the rip in the fairytale.
Oz
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Most faithful Christians now alive are not members of that faithful steward class. - w2012 12/15
by 00DAD inthis was brought up earlier today on blondie's thread about this article, but it is so significant i thought it warranted it's own discussion.
here in the wt study article for this week is this remarkable statement: .
most faithful christians now alive are not members of that faithful steward class.- w2012 12/15, p. 9, para.
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the evidence is plain to see.
evidently they have a problem with newer younger annointed asking why it is that they are not consulted, evidently they have a problem with the rising number of the annointed, evidently they are fearful of an annointed class takeover, evidently thay are consolidating their power
There would have to be more evidence of my claims above than they have for theirs...
Oz
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My ex JW sister is an APOLOGIST!!!!!
by joyfulfader ini have had a few conversations with my sister who left the org several years ago and has been dating a non jw for several years now.
she celebrates the holidays and everything.
so the other day i brought up some of the things i have learned since leaving.
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Don't fret!
I was an apologist for 10 years after i left...i wouldn't here of anything against the WT, not even from my wife.
Oz
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Unbelievable Assertion!!!!!!!
by The Searcher inwe had our special assembly day this weekend.. what the district overseer stated in his talk totally stunned me, and made me feel sick to my stomach.
he said, "christ is directing us through the governing body, and we cannot get holy spirit except through them!".
i do not wish to reveal all my thoughts on his statement, but i pray to god that it acts as a wake-up call to at least some of the audience.. suffice to say that the gb is now the mediator to our mediator, and from now on, i will have to pray for holy spirit through the name of the gb!!.
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I wouldn't mind betting they wont put in in print though...
'we never said that''
and that recording...''thats an apostate fake''
still up to the old trick of using the speakers at assembly's to deliver the koolaid
oz
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the journey of my children in awakening
by Aussie Oz inat the request of some, i have gone through many of my posts of the last 3 years to collect all my methods i used to awaken my children to the truth about the truth.. from oldest to newest (i will do them in a few posts so its not an endless scroll thru).
had a bit of a chat today about the internet (which i know he likes to use at my place).
in his use of the net today i found one site he visited was one i had visited to get a pdf of a society publication.
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Good morning all
thankyou for taking the time to read my 'epic'. It sure was an interesting walk down memory lane!
Please feel free to use the information as you need, i am so glad to be able to help others in some way. I will not rest of this WT addiction though until I am sure 100% that they are both never going back, pretty sure of that with my daughter, not so much for the son as he needs to do a bit more learning so that if he ever has a crisis later he does not go zooming back in for comfort.
Oz
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Our Story
by Auntfancy inhi everyone, i have been on here for a little while and haven't introduced myself to you.
i can't tell you how much all of you have helped me sort many things out in my mind.. i was raised in a very good christian home and married my hs sweetheart.
i left home and moved half way across the country with a husband and a brand new baby.
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welcome, thankyou for yor story
how interesting that you knowing and telling your husband that you already knew what he was going to say about things you were reading in COC prompted him to look for himself.
sounds like you just let on a real good little tip there!
Oz
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the journey of my children in awakening
by Aussie Oz inat the request of some, i have gone through many of my posts of the last 3 years to collect all my methods i used to awaken my children to the truth about the truth.. from oldest to newest (i will do them in a few posts so its not an endless scroll thru).
had a bit of a chat today about the internet (which i know he likes to use at my place).
in his use of the net today i found one site he visited was one i had visited to get a pdf of a society publication.
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Son was up visiting today and we had some great little chats about all things watchtower. I would say the chances of him going back are real slim now, for he was telling me of some of his own WTF research on the internet about them.
Anyway, at one point he came up, gave me a big hug and said "thankyou for making me think"
It seems that all the little seed dropping and question dropping over the last 3 years really did work! It DID make him question the JWs and their hold on him and his sister. He did admit that he was at pain sometimes wondering why i was doing it though.
He related one event that really troubled him just a few years ago, he spoke to an elder and asked him, seeing that you say we will all be happy in the new system, and that my dad won't be there, how will i be happy? I will not be happy if dad is not there...Elders answer: Jehovah will just make it like that...trust jehovah. sons response to himself "what? is jehovah going to fill me with morphine or something?"
he called the JWS and the WT evil. An evil cult messing with kids minds and giving them nightmares.
anyway, lots of little reassuring stuff from him, he is loving his life out of the borg. I just wanted to share with those who may have teenagers trapped in there, dropping little hints that all is not well in WT land, and making them question, CAN WORK
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Thankyou all for the comments
this forum has given me life. All i can give back is my journey (as you will find under my posts) of my own awakening and the efforts to help the kids out. Perhaps i will find time to go thru all the posts and pull out the bits and snippets about the kids, its hard to remember all the little drops of questioning i used over the last 3 years or so.
Cantleave, more than happy for you to have reposted, i feel privleged even at the thought that i may in some little way help someone else one day.
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I have a question, how did you maintain communication? One of my kids runs hot and cold, sometimes we talk, other times he won't respond at all. With the other I have nothing, haven't for years.
I'd love to "drop seeds" as you say, but don't know how when I can't communicate.
My communication with the kids was limited to a visit once each two weeks. And it was very often for only a day. The ex had managed to manipulate access visits to bugger all time. There was no mobile phones for a long time. It was real tough at times wondering if they were even thinking about me inbetween visits even. and when they did come with a mobile phone, it was their mothers spare and i was forbidden to even know the number.
Once the boy had his drivers licence i saw him maybe every 3 weeks for a day. By that time i had secured 2 days each 2 weeks with the daughter though. I felt i had lost the boy to the JWs at that time.
I remember each time i saw them i was on edge as i so desperatlry wanted to talk to them, to get into thier heads, it was easier with my daughter. My son tended to close off, at times he would say that he knows now (before baptism) is the time to question but he just does not want to.
He went through a fair bit of therapy that blamed all his problems on me. he did blame me for all his unhappiness at that time too, so that was tough to swallow.
Still, i didn't stop dropping hints about the JWs and asking little questions anyway. I also think that his step father and his mother did a great job of driving the kids away from them and the JWs. He started to get into trouble with the JWs for having worldly girlfriend and getting drunk, how they they treated him repelled him from them more, he saw plenty of hypocrasy around him.
all i did was the best with the time i had...and sometimes i just avoided talking about the JWs at all in case they got jacked off that everytime they came to visit it became an anti JW session and not about fun.
At the end of the day, all you can do is carefully use the time you do get and rely on the fact that the WT manages to retain fewer of its young ones than ever before to help you...
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OK! Thats 3 years of tears and joy all in one BIG thread. I sincerely hope others can use it. I am not sure i did everything right, but i do know i did everything i could think of. I can thank many here, and the existance of the board in itself for the great help they have been. I really mean it, If this board had not come to be, i dont think i would have rescued my kids.
And on a final for this thread...
today my daughter turned 16...and we had a big gooey cake with one huge candle. Symbolic of it being her 'first' birthday
OZ
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the journey of my children in awakening
by Aussie Oz inat the request of some, i have gone through many of my posts of the last 3 years to collect all my methods i used to awaken my children to the truth about the truth.. from oldest to newest (i will do them in a few posts so its not an endless scroll thru).
had a bit of a chat today about the internet (which i know he likes to use at my place).
in his use of the net today i found one site he visited was one i had visited to get a pdf of a society publication.
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Yes of course there is, she has a home here anytime, and has known this for a long time.
Its just she wants to live with her mum and siblings but is realistic enough to know that it may not work anymore.
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I too thinks she is very brave.
The hard part is mine... i am pretty much out of contact for two weeks till our next visitation. She said ''no news is good news''... if i dont get a phone call from her to assume iether the note was not found or she is ok and handling things.
oz...wringing his hands and mentaly pacing...
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@newchapter...I see as a toe in the water. She was a bit ambivalant about it being found and i think it may have been more of a test of herself more than anything. Indeed, next time she might be bloder and put a note where it will be found.
@flipper...i am not worried other than the manipulation. I did explain very clearly how that might go and be done, based on what i know i would do if i were her JW parent.
@Quandry... thanks for the concern. I am not driving anything here. It was she who felt secure enough a few months ago to tell me what she felt. yes i had to dig for it but no more than any parent trying to figure out why their child wants to die. She is deciding the pace of her actions, i am only in reaction mode to her, when she tells me how things are going or like this note situation, i only lay out her options and help her prepare to deal with the consequences of her actons. What she is in no doubt of, is my unconditional love and support no matter what she decides.
@extemely confused17...she is 15.
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exciting times...
Son moved out of his JW home this week amid uproar from mother because he has follwed my advice about moving out and starting a new job. Visited him tonight in his new digs and he said: "Don't know if i am going to stay in the truth"...!
My advice was if that is what he wants to do then perhaps now is the time to not go to the new local hall and do a fade...
Daughter read animal farm for school and commented: "I can see a few similarities to the JWs in that story"...
My response was well, wait till you read 1984 darling! so she took my copy home to read too...
I see 'fun' this next twelve months. But not for the wicked witch of the north who is very quickly alienating her children. From her i see evil.
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thanks all
one is thinking with the small brain, the other with the big brain...
but the outcome may well be the same!
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My son came to visit today, he and i are getting a lot closer since he left his JW home and thanks largely to his mother and step father alienating him big time. He needs one of his parents to help him out at times and he can't turn to his mother. Thats sad but its her loss, and his i guess.
Anyway, he recently got himself a girlfriend, a worldly girl at that. Obviously he cant take her home to mum, but he brings her to us. This weekend i had my daughter and her best (worldly) school friend and my son and his girl here, it was like a real family!
The best part was when he said...''I am ready to hear whats wrong with the JWs''.
He hasnt been to a meeting for 4 weeks now and has started to realize the JWs are brainwashed (his own words). He has known he 'should' look at the religion but in the past has said he didnt want to listen, so this is BIG.
He wanted to know what i could give him to read 'right now'. The challenge is that like most JW teens, he knows bugger all about the beliefs of the Watchtower, i mean, seriously so uninformed that it's like i have to teach him a doctrine in order to demonstrate why its wrong! There is so much i could show him and i will take it easy!
So today i pointed him to JWFacts while i had to go out.
He read the sections about 'hitler' and 'Christmas/birthdays'. His main comment "They (JWs) tried to get in with hitler"
His other big comment today was regarding 'new light', he said "they always go on about that, but it makes no sense...why didnt god give them the right information from the start"?
Anyway, just wanted to share...
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He is in his 18th year, he dropped the JW girlfriend because he was sick of her having to hide him. She got baptized and he not being dunked meant she was not prepared for him to be known as her 'boyfriend'.
He met a few worldly girls and this one that he really likes and it has opened his eyes to say the least.
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Now to make sure he has direction in life. Its one thing to help them out but another to help them not self destruct from the discovery of the lie and freedom from the WT rules. In all honestly i would rather them in the JWs than fucking themselves on drugs or stupid living if you know what i mean! They do show a bit of a propensity to party hard...he drinks hard and i know he has tried weed.
anyway, i am planning a father/son weekend away because he needs to come to grips with a lot of stuff to do with not only the lie, but his sense of loss over his mother and i divorcing, how to function in a normal world, the type of good decisions to make etc etc...
tonight i made him call his mother (she found out about the weed). She was hysterical, and it was the first time she had spoken to me in years and it was to ask me to deal with it. I did, nuff said! But perhaps the best thing was that he fessed up to his mother that he no longer wanted to be JW. She told him that she suspected so for a while and that all she wanted was for him to be happy and safe. A huge relief for him i can tell you.
I am excited and scared at the same time for my two kids.
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Yes, they know 'good' jws who are doing all the drugs etc, at least they tell me everything, i value the dialogue i have got going with the kids.
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ok, as many know i have a daughter (15) lives with mother and step father (arsehole)
she was told "remove your ear stretchers by thursday or be kicked out". She has refused to remove said ear decoration. Should she regard herself as kicked out and come live with me? Has her step tool made the dicision for her by this ultimation? Can I consider her kicked out and just tell her that has happened and take the load off her?
she does want to move here but is just so torn by it all.
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yes it is tme for a change. The house has become toxic to tenn trying to be accepted. Last year she was in a real dark place thanks to the JW rules and frankly i have had enough of seeing what i amount to abuse.
I understand Baltar, But it is a whole lot more than the ears really, they are just the fuse.
The ears and other things have been playing out in a JW household, not on my watch. Personally, i believe there a are lot more important things to teach teenagers than the way they choose to look. Perhaps post JW i am a lot more liberal, i am not in the conservative basket myself being tattooed and being rockabilly, so they are not an issue for me, tatts yes, ears no.
BUT, getting back to the question: Should she regard herself as kicked out and come live with me? Has her step tool made the dicision for her by this ultimation? Can I consider her kicked out and just tell her that has happened and take the load off her?
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she wants to stay with me, just finds it hard to verbalize it, she is now with me for her weekend visitation. will see how this plays out...
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To update all...
On friday after i picked her up she told me she wanted to live with me now. I have been preparing for this for a while really, and have been aware of the stuff scully mentioned: (thanks scully for putting it very neatly)
To answer your question though, prepare to have her move in with you. Clearly she does not want to abide by JW rules, and her mum and step-father want to shove those rules down her throat. Have a sit down with her prior to her moving in and make it abundantly clear that while you are far more liberal than her mum and step-father, you are concerned about her safety and, as jamiebowers said, will not tolerate drug or alcohol abuse, you expect her to be responsible for her overall well-being (eating disorders) and particularly so when she is sexually active (birth control) and she has to take school seriously. Set curfews for her, give her chores and an allowance, and once she's old enough to get a job, she should get one.
and yes, i see kicking out reserved for real rebellion with stuff such as drugs etc.
At her request i called her mother and told her the news then passed the phone to daughter to speak with her mum. It was a difficult call to make and left my daughter and her mother in tears. She will miss her little brother and sister very much and her mother asked to not be a stranger and can visit anytime. So thats a pretty good outcome. There are a few behind the scenes converataions that took place over the last month, thing both her mother and step father d=said that led to the move.
I look forward to being a full time dad and will do my best to keep steering her in life. Stay tuned...
thankyou all who commented on what is a challenging situation
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Had a phone call from my son today...
He rang his JW mother to give her some news and found out the school his little half siblings go to was having an end of year play. He was pretty excited apparently and asked if he could come along and this is how it went...
"NO, it is for family. For our family not for children who never speak or visit us."
his reply?
"Fuck you"
hang up.
So sad. This woman has no idea. When our daughter finds out she will be even less inclined to visit than ever. She is just getting strong enough to write her mother to explain why she has not been visiting the last couple of months. I can see right now the reception she will get and the hurt I will have to repair...again
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boy is 19, left home and decided to not follow the religion. At least he is not baptized alothough it looks like his mother is writing him off anyway.
on a happier note, he is about to celebrate xmas for the fisrt time ever (with non JW girlfriends family) and he was pretty excited to tell me they had a 'pagan tree'!
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So here we are, putting decorations on our first pagan tree and 15 yr old daughter doing her first 'xmas' says....
"so what IS xmas all about?.......
WTF! Her JW mother and step father get another EPIC FAIL.
They have taught the children NOTHING. It's a god damn miracle the kids learnt to dress themselves. Ok, a bit of an exaggeration but seriously, what self respecting JW parent teaches them nothing about their beliefs and yet expects them to blindly follow? oh...thats how it works isn't it...
Oz scratching head in wonderment...